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Arindam Banerjee

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(Msg. 76) Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:34 pm
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On Oct 22, 10:17 am, "Rod Speed" wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>
> > Mr Rod Speed has since supplied more information, like how
> > he does not care for animals and insects, and their sufferings.
>
> I didnt say anything like that. I JUST said that I couldnt care
> less about insects, and that the absolute vast bulk of people
> dont care about whether mouse traps kill humanely or not.
>
> > This to me is a very profound thought, which explains a lot.
>
> It cant explain a lot if you get it completely wrong.
>
> > Like the support for Ms Palin.
>
> And that in spades. I have never ever said anything even remotely resembling anything like that.

I did not say *you* did. I implied that Ms Palin's support for
cruelty to animals has to come from somewhere, and you proclaimed
yourself to be the type.

> In fact I have said that she is a stupid bimbo with an IQ barely above that of a moron
> and that it makes absolutely no sense to have her vice prez of such a geriatric old fart
> who could easily end up dead before he does his two terms or even does one term.

Okay you do not like her because she is a stupid bimbo maybe, but you
do like her stand on animal cruelty, or don't you? Does she not
represent you on that point at least?

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(Msg. 77) Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:37 pm
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On Oct 22, 4:16 am, "Rod Speed" wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> >> It isnt opinions that I dispute, its claims made, like the one about ALL western universitys which is just plain
> >> wrong.
> >> Thats not an opinion, thats a matter of historical fact.
> > So what exactly are you disputing?
>
> The claim that 'all Western universities concentrated upon religious studies originally'

A matter of fact is not a claim. It can be negated not by handwaving,
but by statistically by putting up more more counter-facts.

> > Please quote me, and your reply, if that suits you.- Hide quoted text -
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(Msg. 78) Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:46 pm
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Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> On Oct 22, 10:17 am, "DanB (Previously DB)" wrote:
>> Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>> On Oct 22, 1:00 am, "DanB (Previously DB)" wrote:
>>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>>>> "DanB (Previously DB)" wrote in message
>>>>>> How is that?
>>>>> You shut him off, so that narrows your mind.
>>>> Giving credibility to kooks broadens my mind. That doesn't make sense.
>>> Any *initial* dismissive attitude is a negative attitude, and is also
>>> unscientific.
>> It does not work like that. I have been around the block with free
>> energy kooks all too often. So, if some kook comes along and says I can
>> run my car on water, I should give this credence. I have written
>> countless times why doing so would be a waste of time.
>
> Do so again. I have given a proposal to the Australian Govt. to make
> the whole world run on water, with sun, wind, nuclear, coal, etc. as
> well. They have said, they are trialling hydrogen buses which will
> run on hydrogen and produce water - no carbon involved at all. So I
> am glad that the Minister does not have a closed mind, like yours.

Listen Arindam,
I've been crunching energy numbers for going on a decade. If you think
hydrogen will save us, you have _not_ done your homework. That 'closed
mind' rant is pitiful. The sign of a crank.

(Note cross to sci.energy and sci.energy.hydrogen)
The name is 'Dan Bloomquist'

>>> I have yet to know Mr Rod Speed so well. Also, I do not see
>>> how paying him attention equates to giving him credibility.

>> It is called, 'feeding the troll'.
>
> That is just namecalling, and does not given him credibility unless
> you endorse or appreciate his work.

Fine... You win this one in your own mind...

>> If that works for you, I still think it a waste of time...
>
> It does work for me.

Another fine...

>> How long have you been hanging around usenet?
>
> Since around 1990?

And, you have not 'learned'?

>> There are those that are
>> hard headed, I'll talk to them. There are those that are incorrigible
>> trolls, a waste of time. Soon enough, if you keep bantering with rod,
>> you will get a, 'can't bullshit his way out of a wet paper bag.' I'm
>> going to guess he's posted that 10,000 times.
>
> It takes all types... At least he talks to me, and that shows he is
> not a racist or bigot.

How do you know that? Understand I have not read but one of your banters.

>> Well, if feeding a troll sharpens your mind, more power to you.
>
> Thanks. Once I have made up my mind as you have, I too may lose
> interest. But not till then.

Good to hear you can think for yourself.

>> Maybe I've erred by just using kook. A kook is one thing, a troll is
>> another.
>
> Trolls are imaginary, kooks are not.

Boggle...

>> http://www.urban75.com/Mag/troll.html
>>
>> And this guy....
>>
>> google: "rod speed" troll
>> 2600 hits.
>
> Indeed, the world seems unkind to Mr Rod Speed. But then, he does not
> seem too kind either, to animals and insects at least.

He is an idiot, but, feed away......
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Arindam Banerjee

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(Msg. 79) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:21 am
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On Oct 22, 12:46 pm, "DanB (Previously DB)" wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> > On Oct 22, 10:17 am, "DanB (Previously DB)" wrote:
> >> Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> >>> On Oct 22, 1:00 am, "DanB (Previously DB)" wrote:
> >>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> >>>>> "DanB (Previously DB)" wrote in message
> >>>>>> How is that?
> >>>>> You shut him off, so that narrows your mind.
> >>>> Giving credibility to kooks broadens my mind. That doesn't make sense.
> >>> Any *initial* dismissive attitude is a negative attitude, and is also
> >>> unscientific.
> >> It does not work like that. I have been around the block with free
> >> energy kooks all too often. So, if some kook comes along and says I can
> >> run my car on water, I should give this credence. I have written
> >> countless times why doing so would be a waste of time.
>
> > Do so again.  I have given a proposal to the Australian Govt. to make
> > the whole world run on water, with sun, wind, nuclear, coal, etc. as
> > well.  They have said, they are trialling hydrogen buses which will
> > run on hydrogen and produce water - no carbon involved at all.  So I
> > am glad that the Minister does not have a closed mind, like yours.
>
> Listen Arindam,
> I've been crunching energy numbers for going on a decade. If you think
> hydrogen will save us, you have _not_ done your homework. That 'closed
> mind' rant is pitiful. The sign of a crank.

I can feel your emotion, but I do not find any associated logic or
wisdom. Have you at least read what I have written in

www.users.bigpond.com/adda1234/HP.htm

It so happens that the US President, Mr George Bush himself endorses
the Hydrogen Economy as the future way to go, and I have offered a
solution that is most relevant for Australia. If the leader of the
most technically advanced nation in the world endorses a *technical*
approach, it would be foolish to reject it just like that.

The work presented in the website is more of a show and selling type
- I have given a confidential technical brief for the implementation
aspects to the Australian Govt as well, and I hope to work with energy
and chemistry professionals for further submissions involving patents
and inventions. The scope is very big! I am very glad to have found
a lovely pattern as a complete and wonderful solution to the world's
energy, pollution, climate and water problems. Presently it is a vison
integrated from diverse techncial parts, like a realised multi-piece
puzzle.

Cheers,

Arindam Banerjee.
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(Msg. 80) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:25 am
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Arindam Banerjee wrote

> Mr Rod Speed has since supplied more information, like how
> he does not care for animals and insects, and their sufferings.

I didnt say anything like that. I JUST said that I couldnt care
less about insects, and that the absolute vast bulk of people
dont care about whether mouse traps kill humanely or not.

> This to me is a very profound thought, which explains a lot.

It cant explain a lot if you get it completely wrong.

> Like the support for Ms Palin.

And that in spades. I have never ever said anything even remotely resembling anything like that.

In fact I have said that she is a stupid bimbo with an IQ barely above that of a moron
and that it makes absolutely no sense to have her vice prez of such a geriatric old fart
who could easily end up dead before he does his two terms or even does one term.
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(Msg. 81) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:41 am
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Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> On Oct 21, 1:52 pm, Les Cargill wrote:
>> Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>> "Les Cargill" wrote in message
>> <snip>
>>>>> the car industry over public transport,
>>>> Cost and convenience triumph. Who knew?
>>> I mean that politicking also helps in triumphs.
>> Sure. An available mousetrap is arguably better than
>> one that's hard to get.
>
> If you really want a mousetrap that is hard to get

I'd rather have one that is *easy* to get.

> then ipso facto it
> should be better than the available one. Availability does not
> confirm superiority - otherwise there would be no talk of nobbling
> racehorses.
>

Mousetraps ain't racehorses. Racehorses are outlier animals - bred to
the point of mechanical infeasibility these days. Moustraps are
disposable solutions to a specfic problem.

>>>>> the oil industry over everyone,
>>>> The oil industry per se should have more power than it does, given
>>>> just how critical the product is.
>>> Trying to make it much less critical, is the current European effort. Thus
>>> their research on biodiesel hybrid cars for the future.
>> We'll see. I personally would like to see this sort of thing
>> pan out well, no matter who does it. Having Europe take the lead
>> would be kinda cool. I personally think that the scale
>> of the real solution to this won't *fit* on Europe, but
>> we gotta start somewhere.
>
> I got a letter from a Federal Minister saying how hydrogen buses are
> being tried in Australia. That was in response to my work on the
> Hydrogen Economy, www.users.bigpond.com/adda1234/HP.htm
>

Neat! We'll see how it scales.

> Hopefully, much more work on those lines will follow, in the not too
> distant future.
>

MORE NUKES, DANGIT! Smile

>>>>> the novelist over the poet, the manager over the scientist, etc.
>>>> Life is not a science fair...
>>> What is meaningful in life comes from science, and the scientist, unless one
>>> is some religious nutcase.
>> "Meaning" is complicated. On one level, you are exactly right. On a more
>> personal level, people find that difficult.
>
> Without the proper scientific basis, any subjectivity becomes just
> froth.
>

Mmmmm.... sorta. There's a lot there, and it is indeed... frothy. But
economics ( posting from sci.econ) is a lot about measuring subjective
things in large quantity.

>>>>>>> Thus I conclude, that one major reason for Harvard's success is that
>>>>>>> it takes in a lot of rich guys, since it charges a lot for the snob
>>>>>>> appeal.
>>>>>> No, it's just a brand. The Vast majority of its funding comes from
>>>>>> its endownment, which is why people call it "a hedge fund with a
>>>>>> university."
>>>>> I am not talking about just the money, I am talking about the key to
>>>>> success.
>>>> So redefine success.
>>> Like, being rated the first or top or best university in the world.
>> Meh. I suppose. I went to a very low-level school, a state school, and
>> it worked out better than a Harvard would have. For me. I also made
>> lousy grades for a long time, then the light came on.
>>
>> Education is largely what the student brings to it.
>
> Perfectly correct. I got much more from my fellow students than I got
> from the profs.
>

We always do.

>>>>> Harvard may talk solely about Christian truths, as it once did.
>>>> Not really.
>>> Didn't it? I once read that *all* Western universities concentrated upon
>>> religious studies originally.
>> This is largely true. It's also complex. Yes, Harvard is where Brits
>> sent the preacher-sons who were too radical to be tolerated on the
>> home islands of Britain.
>>
>> In the larger context, all intellectual activity in Western
>> Civ came through religious storage during the Dark Ages. Then
>> some original texts were recovered, the Renaissance...
>>
>>>>> What matters is that it provides for a few years the possibility of the
>>>>> rich kid mixing with the poor bright kid. The poor bright kid becomes
>>>>> rich, the rich kid becomes richer, they both thank Harvard for this and
>>>>> pay Harvard money. Harvard thus becomes bigger and better, and employs
>>>>> more brilliant staffing to teach better and bigger theologies, kicking
>>>>> off the virtuous cycle and making absolutely everyone happy except those
>>>>> who cannot get in, merely look up to it like the sun.
>>>> The people who I know of who have had a real leg up from going
>>>> to Harvard are mainly TV writers and such. For "normal" careers,
>>>> any old school will do.
>>> Those who fund Harvard lavishly are very likely to do much more than pursue
>>> normal careers like the rest of us.
>> You'd be surprised. Some do, actually. Er, at least high-falutin'
>> schools like MIT and CMU certainly contribute normal grads.
>
> What I meant was that those who fund Harvard lavishly must necessarily
> be multi-millionaires or billionaires. Harvard seems to be producing
> or attracting a higher percentage of that sort.
>

Meh. Whatever. They can have it.

>>>>>>> This by the way, is very different from the incompetent and greedy
>>>>>>> CEOs charging tens of millions of dollars salary - that we find now is
>>>>>>> only to show that *because* they charge so much, they are actually
>>>>>>> worth so much!
>>>>>> Indeed. But culturally, we find two things. One, no company
>>>>>> wants to not appear to have a good ( read highly paid) CEO, and
>>>>>> two, the circle of people who meet the requirements in past
>>>>>> experience to be CEO is a bit of a "club". Executives are actually
>>>>>> accountable for grooming a replacement, which makes it all rather
>>>>>> "guild like".
>>>>>>> Of course, they get so much because they control their
>>>>>>> own level of incomes, with only minor checks from board members (who
>>>>>>> can be controlled with corresponding hikes in thier pay).
>>>>>> Not so much, no. See above.
>>>>> It is difficult to comprehend a servant paid 100 times more than his
>>>>> master. Who thinks George Bush Jr. is worth $40,400,000 per year?
>>>> He has 600 million masters...
>>> I thought the US population was about half that...
>> Uh, right. *World* is 6B. Doh! My bad.
>
> Heh-heh, it will satisfy the Iraqis no end to be told that they are
> the masters of George Bush!

We are, we are. It's true. he did all that stuff just for us. Once
you trace the heritage of all those things, they lead right back to
"Joe the Plumber".

> And won't those in US jails - especially
> in the death row - be glad as well to realise what you say!
>

Celebrate the diversity! "In my state, we have the death penalty - and
*we use it*" - Ron White.

>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>> extortion is based upon such homilies as "if you pay peanuts, you get
>>>>>>> monkeys". Now we see, who the real monkeys were - the poor gullible
>>>>>>> investors who lost a lot.
>>>>>> That's not necessarily any one person, nor any *class* of person's
>>>>>> fault. This is a systemic thing; we have certain mechanisms for
>>>>>> the creation of money, and it has weaknesses. *Shrug*?
>>>>> Ah, money. Who creates it, and who gobbles it, are usually different
>>>>> entities. Do pirates create money? From the point of view of their
>>>>> clients (prostitutes, etc.) yes. From the point of view of their
>>>>> victims, no.
>>>> *We* create money by issuing instruments of debt.
>>> And who do you expect to pay for your instruments of debt?
>> Us. By producing with it.
>
> Good idea, for those worthy of being in debt. But aren't we
> forgetting Polonius - neither a lender nor a borrower be? Does this
> line from good old Shakes not mean something these days?

Nobody can take that seriously. Uh, it's a slightly comic scene,
anyway. The European disgust with usury kept them - literally -
in the dark. Good ole debt brought the Enlightenment.

>> <snip>
>>
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(Msg. 82) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:25 am
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Arindam Banerjee wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Arindam Banerjee wrote

>>>> It isnt opinions that I dispute, its claims made, like the one
>>>> about ALL western universitys which is just plain wrong.
>>>> Thats not an opinion, thats a matter of historical fact.

>>> So what exactly are you disputing?

>> The claim that 'all Western universities concentrated upon religious studies originally'

> A matter of fact is not a claim.

Corse its a claim.

> It can be negated not by handwaving, but by statistically by putting up more more counter-facts.

Which is precisely what I did.

>>> Please quote me, and your reply, if that suits you.
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Arindam Banerjee wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Arindam Banerjee wrote

>>> Mr Rod Speed has since supplied more information, like how
>>> he does not care for animals and insects, and their sufferings.

>> I didnt say anything like that. I JUST said that I couldnt care
>> less about insects, and that the absolute vast bulk of people
>> dont care about whether mouse traps kill humanely or not.

>>> This to me is a very profound thought, which explains a lot.

>> It cant explain a lot if you get it completely wrong.

>>> Like the support for Ms Palin.

>> And that in spades. I have never ever said anything even remotely resembling anything like that.

> I did not say *you* did. I implied that Ms Palin's support
> for cruelty to animals has to come from somewhere,

She has never ever said anything like that either.

> and you proclaimed yourself to be the type.

No I didnt. I didnt say anything what ever about my views on cruelty to animals.

I do choose to eat some of them. So do the absolute vast bulk of humans.

>> In fact I have said that she is a stupid bimbo with an IQ barely above that of a moron
>> and that it makes absolutely no sense to have her vice prez of such a geriatric old fart
>> who could easily end up dead before he does his two terms or even does one term.

> Okay you do not like her

I didnt say that either.

> because she is a stupid bimbo maybe,

No maybe about it.

> but you do like her stand on animal cruelty, or don't you?

I'm not even aware of her stand on animal cruelty. The most I actually
know is that she does shoot moose. That isnt necessarily animal cruelty.

> Does she not represent you on that point at least?

She doesnt 'represent' me on anything at all. She isnt even in the same country as me.
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(Msg. 84) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:55 am
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"Arindam Banerjee" wrote in message

> On Oct 22, 12:46 pm, "DanB (Previously DB)" wrote:
> > Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> > > On Oct 22, 10:17 am, "DanB (Previously DB)" wrote:
> > >> Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> > >>> On Oct 22, 1:00 am, "DanB (Previously DB)" wrote:
> > >>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> > >>>>> "DanB (Previously DB)" wrote in message
> > >>>>>> How is that?
> > >>>>> You shut him off, so that narrows your mind.
> > >>>> Giving credibility to kooks broadens my mind. That doesn't make
sense.
> > >>> Any *initial* dismissive attitude is a negative attitude, and is
also
> > >>> unscientific.

> > >> It does not work like that. I have been around the block with free
> > >> energy kooks all too often. So, if some kook comes along and says I
can
> > >> run my car on water, I should give this credence. I have written
> > >> countless times why doing so would be a waste of time.
> >
> > > Do so again. I have given a proposal to the Australian Govt. to make
> > > the whole world run on water, with sun, wind, nuclear, coal, etc. as
> > > well. They have said, they are trialling hydrogen buses which will
> > > run on hydrogen and produce water - no carbon involved at all. So I
> > > am glad that the Minister does not have a closed mind, like yours.
> >
> > Listen Arindam,
> > I've been crunching energy numbers for going on a decade. If you think
> > hydrogen will save us, you have _not_ done your homework. That 'closed
> > mind' rant is pitiful. The sign of a crank.
>
> I can feel your emotion, but I do not find any associated logic or
> wisdom. Have you at least read what I have written in
>
> www.users.bigpond.com/adda1234/HP.htm
>

Arindam,

Is this a screenplay for a bollywood movie ? A dream story with 'plays' ?
Where do you get this stuff ?

You state "A great deal of research work relating to the "dream solution"
has already been done."
Where are references to that research work ? What are the findings of a
hydrogen energy network ?

In absense of any scientifically sound references, are you completely
ignoring the obvious inefficiencies of a hydrogen future ?

For one, the cycle efficiency of hydrogen sucks. Electricity to hydrogen
back to electricity (which is what you need for a hydrogen-powered vehicles)
is in the range of 25%. Batteries do a lot better at 85-95% cycle
efficiency, and there is already a distribution network for electricity in
place (it's called the grid). And I did not even mention the abysmal
properties of hydrogen storage.


> It so happens that the US President, Mr George Bush himself endorses
> the Hydrogen Economy as the future way to go, and I have offered a
> solution that is most relevant for Australia. If the leader of the
> most technically advanced nation in the world endorses a *technical*
> approach, it would be foolish to reject it just like that.

Either you are very sarcastic or you are finding a political reason to
validate your statements.
Either way it's not a good basis for a future energy solution.

I suggest you do your own simple cycle efficiency calculations, or find a
way to store 500 megajoule hydrogen for a few months in a 20 kg container,
or calculate the cost of a nation-wide hydrogen distribution network, and
compare these to an 'electric dream' solution. Then tell us which one has
better economics.

In case you did not yet get it : the hydrogen society was and always will be
the society of the future.

>
> The work presented in the website is more of a show and selling type
> - I have given a confidential technical brief for the implementation
> aspects to the Australian Govt as well, and I hope to work with energy
> and chemistry professionals for further submissions involving patents
> and inventions. The scope is very big! I am very glad to have found
> a lovely pattern as a complete and wonderful solution to the world's
> energy, pollution, climate and water problems. Presently it is a vison
> integrated from diverse techncial parts, like a realised multi-piece
> puzzle.

Dan, where do these guys come from ?
Who on Earth can live in the clouds like this, without any shred of
technical merit supporting their statements ?

>
> Cheers,
>
> Arindam Banerjee.
>
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(Msg. 85) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:27 pm
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Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>
>
> It so happens that the US President, Mr George Bush himself endorses
> the Hydrogen Economy as the future way to go.....

> Arindam Banerjee.
>

Ayup.

That should be enough to kill it right there.


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Rob Dekker wrote:
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> For one, the cycle efficiency of hydrogen sucks. Electricity to hydrogen
> back to electricity (which is what you need for a hydrogen-powered vehicles)
> is in the range of 25%.
IJHE uses a 12 percent figure, but this seems outrageously high.

2.5 percent BEFORE amortization would be more likely.

Exergy GUARANTEES electricity-->hydrogen-->electricity flat out ain't
gonna happen.

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Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> On Oct 22, 12:46 pm, "DanB (Previously DB)" wrote:
>> Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>> On Oct 22, 10:17 am, "DanB (Previously DB)" wrote:
>>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 22, 1:00 am, "DanB (Previously DB)" wrote:
>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>>>>>> "DanB (Previously DB)" wrote in message
>>>>>>>> How is that?
>>>>>>> You shut him off, so that narrows your mind.
>>>>>> Giving credibility to kooks broadens my mind. That doesn't make sense.
>>>>> Any *initial* dismissive attitude is a negative attitude, and is also
>>>>> unscientific.
>>>> It does not work like that. I have been around the block with free
>>>> energy kooks all too often. So, if some kook comes along and says I can
>>>> run my car on water, I should give this credence. I have written
>>>> countless times why doing so would be a waste of time.
>>> Do so again. I have given a proposal to the Australian Govt. to make
>>> the whole world run on water, with sun, wind, nuclear, coal, etc. as
>>> well. They have said, they are trialling hydrogen buses which will
>>> run on hydrogen and produce water - no carbon involved at all. So I
>>> am glad that the Minister does not have a closed mind, like yours.
>> Listen Arindam,
>> I've been crunching energy numbers for going on a decade. If you think
>> hydrogen will save us, you have _not_ done your homework. That 'closed
>> mind' rant is pitiful. The sign of a crank.
>
> I can feel your emotion, but I do not find any associated logic or
> wisdom. Have you at least read what I have written in
>
> www.users.bigpond.com/adda1234/HP.htm
>
> It so happens that the US President, Mr George Bush himself endorses
> the Hydrogen Economy as the future way to go, and I have offered a
> solution that is most relevant for Australia. If the leader of the
> most technically advanced nation in the world endorses a *technical*
> approach, it would be foolish to reject it just like that.
>
> The work presented in the website is more of a show and selling type
> - I have given a confidential technical brief for the implementation
> aspects to the Australian Govt as well, and I hope to work with energy
> and chemistry professionals for further submissions involving patents
> and inventions. The scope is very big! I am very glad to have found
> a lovely pattern as a complete and wonderful solution to the world's
> energy, pollution, climate and water problems. Presently it is a vison
> integrated from diverse techncial parts, like a realised multi-piece
> puzzle.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Arindam Banerjee.
>

Sorry you limited twerp. It is clear that you along with that idiot
George Bush have essentially zero knowledge about science. You can't get
anywhere near a break-even amount of energy from hydrogen. It is not a
free resource on planet Earth. It is already "burned" in its most common
form - water.
FK
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(Msg. 88) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:09 pm
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"Don Lancaster" wrote in message
> Rob Dekker wrote:
>>
>> For one, the cycle efficiency of hydrogen sucks. Electricity to hydrogen
>> back to electricity (which is what you need for a hydrogen-powered vehicles)
>> is in the range of 25%.
> IJHE uses a 12 percent figure, but this seems outrageously high.
>
> 2.5 percent BEFORE amortization would be more likely.

Wow. I didn't think it was THAT bad.

I figured the following : electrolysis is 80-90% efficient, and fuel cells are some 30% efficient, for an overall efficieny of
electricity-hydrogen-electricity of about 25%.


>
> Exergy GUARANTEES electricity-->hydrogen-->electricity flat out ain't gonna happen.
>
> http://www.tinaja.com/glib/morenrgf.pdf
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(Msg. 89) Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:59 am
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Rob Dekker wrote:
> "Don Lancaster" wrote in message
>> Rob Dekker wrote:
>>> For one, the cycle efficiency of hydrogen sucks. Electricity to hydrogen
>>> back to electricity (which is what you need for a hydrogen-powered vehicles)
>>> is in the range of 25%.
>> IJHE uses a 12 percent figure, but this seems outrageously high.
>>
>> 2.5 percent BEFORE amortization would be more likely.
>
> Wow. I didn't think it was THAT bad.
>
> I figured the following : electrolysis is 80-90% efficient, and fuel cells are some 30% efficient, for an overall efficieny of
> electricity-hydrogen-electricity of about 25%.
>
>
>> Exergy GUARANTEES electricity-->hydrogen-->electricity flat out ain't gonna happen.
>>
>> http://www.tinaja.com/glib/morenrgf.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073
>> Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
>> rss: http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu.xml email: don.TakeThisOut@tinaja.com
>>
>> Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com
>
>


Try finding an electrolysis system that is 8 percent efficient.
BEFORE amortization.

Should you find one, they will not tell you how much it costs, and,
above all, will not sell you one if you are an individual.

HINT: Stainless steel electrodes GUARANTEE inefficiency.
HINT: Lack of switchmode control GUARANTEES inefficiency.

Minimum requirement for efficiency is platinized platinum, renewed weekly.

You also have to answer EFFICIENT AT WHAT?
Electrolysis is the process of irreversibly converting very high value
kilowatt hours of electricity into very low ones.

Bottom line: Electrolysis from high value sources (grid, wind, pv,
alternator) flat out ain't gonna happen.

http://www.tinaja.com/glib/energfun.pdf



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(Msg. 90) Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:18 pm
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On Oct 22, 1:35 pm, Fred Kasner wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> > On Oct 22, 12:46 pm, "DanB (Previously DB)" wrote:
> >> Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> >>> On Oct 22, 10:17 am, "DanB (Previously DB)" wrote:
> >>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> >>>>> On Oct 22, 1:00 am, "DanB (Previously DB)" wrote:
> >>>>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> >>>>>>> "DanB (Previously DB)" wrote in message
> >>>>>>>> How is that?
> >>>>>>> You shut him off, so that narrows your mind.
> >>>>>> Giving credibility to kooks broadens my mind. That doesn't make sense.
> >>>>> Any *initial* dismissive attitude is a negative attitude, and is also
> >>>>> unscientific.
> >>>> It does not work like that. I have been around the block with free
> >>>> energy kooks all too often. So, if some kook comes along and says I can
> >>>> run my car on water, I should give this credence. I have written
> >>>> countless times why doing so would be a waste of time.
> >>> Do so again. I have given a proposal to the Australian Govt. to make
> >>> the whole world run on water, with sun, wind, nuclear, coal, etc. as
> >>> well. They have said, they are trialling hydrogen buses which will
> >>> run on hydrogen and produce water - no carbon involved at all. So I
> >>> am glad that the Minister does not have a closed mind, like yours.
> >> Listen Arindam,
> >> I've been crunching energy numbers for going on a decade. If you think
> >> hydrogen will save us, you have _not_ done your homework. That 'closed
> >> mind' rant is pitiful. The sign of a crank.
>
> > I can feel your emotion, but I do not find any associated logic or
> > wisdom. Have you at least read what I have written in
>
> >www.users.bigpond.com/adda1234/HP.htm
>
> > It so happens that the US President, Mr George Bush himself endorses
> > the Hydrogen Economy as the future way to go, and I have offered a
> > solution that is most relevant for Australia. If the leader of the
> > most technically advanced nation in the world endorses a *technical*
> > approach, it would be foolish to reject it just like that.
>
> > The work presented in the website is more of a show and selling type
> > - I have given a confidential technical brief for the implementation
> > aspects to the Australian Govt as well, and I hope to work with energy
> > and chemistry professionals for further submissions involving patents
> > and inventions. The scope is very big! I am very glad to have found
> > a lovely pattern as a complete and wonderful solution to the world's
> > energy, pollution, climate and water problems. Presently it is a vison
> > integrated from diverse techncial parts, like a realised multi-piece
> > puzzle.
>
> > Cheers,
>
> > Arindam Banerjee.
>
> Sorry you limited twerp. It is clear that you along with that idiot
> George Bush have essentially zero knowledge about science. You can't get
> anywhere near a break-even amount of energy from hydrogen. It is not a
> free resource on planet Earth. It is already "burned" in its most common
> form - water.
> FK

It's most common form is "natural water" which has been
electrostaticly charged by the earth's atmosphere consisting of
photons, ions, lightning, gravity, et al.
It essentially not "ash" or dead as a pure H20 molecule in stasis
would be considered and analyzed.
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